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Basic Blonde Boy

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So, this forum has a dedicated MCU thread and a few Marvel threads for there shows, but I noticed that DC Comics is lacking any real representation in terms of threads. Now the obvious solution would be to creat a DCEU thread to discuss the movies, but I feel that is not good enough. DC is such a colossal cluster fuck that half their movies don’t even seem connected, and stuff like the tv series sure as hell ain’t. This thread is here to discuss DC Comics media so that threads like The Suicide Squad don’t get filled with general DC sperging.

I guess for some intro as to my personal experience with DC Comics, I will start by saying that I have watched their shows since I was real little. My dad would entertain me with Justice League, Unlimited, Batman Beyond, and probably some Batman/Superman TAS. When I was little, Batman TAS would have been replaced by The Batman at that point, so I got more exposure to that. Years later I would watch Teen Titans, Go, Brave & The Bold, Young Justice, and Green Lantern TAS. I come to find that I enjoy Brave & The Bold the most out of the DC shows, and also hold JL Unlimited up.

As for movies, I have probably seen all the Batman live action past Adam West. I have also seen most of the DCEU. I have also played all the Arkham, LEGO, and Injustice titles.

I typically enjoy DC over Marvel as they definitely take more risks, but I will admit that they are completely hit-or-miss due to this. DC has little to no consistency, so I think a thread would be fun for discussing that aspect.
 
I'll bite, they had the potential with more characters to have a better start than marvel but rushed it. Bvs should have been after about 4 other films to start with.
The problem was that DC had no direction on a cinematic universe. I get that that is common to say, but it really goes deeper than the post-Man of Steel stuff. Technically Green Lantern was made to be the first DCEU film, but that makes no sense. Neither The Dark Knight Rises nor Man of Steel seem to be connected to it, with The Dark Knight being completely unable to. Seeing as these films premiered a year or two after, what was the behind the scenes team thinking? If GL was a success, these two films would fully destroy the flow of a universe as DC films are coming out that are not connected to GL right after.

As for the 4 films, they should have just done a basic Superman origin, followed by a Batman then a Wonder Woman. For the fourth, we should have had a good Green Lantern film to set up the fifth movie, Justice League. Flash and Cyborg could have easily been introduced in the JL movie, especially Cyborg as what villain does he have for an origin movie? As for Aquaman, they can try to shoehorn him in, but he might just be better off not being present and just leaving the JL team to 6. They also could have just used Hawk Girl instead for a 7th member like the tv show did.
 
I'd rather Marvel be blamed for the eventual and current downfall of entertainment than DC tbh. While I like both, I have more things that I like about DC and both their comics and movies have the lowest of lows but also the highest of highs while staying fun in the animated department and videogames.

They had all the time in the world to do what the MCU did but they didn't and that's on them, at this point anything resembling a connected universe will be compared so I don't know why some still want DC to do the same, it's too late or that's what I thought before checking No Way Home success so it seems superheroes just won't die yet. I really don't care if their movies are connected, it's just a marketing ploy at this point. Just do good films with the characters and hopefully realize they have more than just Batman.
 
They had all the time in the world to do what the MCU did but they didn't and that's on them, at this point anything resembling a connected universe will be compared so I don't know why some still want DC to do the same, it's too late or that's what I thought before checking No Way Home success so it seems superheroes just won't die yet. I really don't care if their movies are connected, it's just a marketing ploy at this point. Just do good films with the characters and hopefully realize they have more than just Batman.
DC could have gotten in the game as early as 2008 with Justice League: Mortal. George Miller was set to direct and the even casted it, but it fell though due to the 2007-8 WGA strike and some tax spat with Australia. Ironically, two of the actors attached to the project D.C. Cortona (Superman) and Adam Brody (Flash) were later cast in Shazam.
 
Oh boy time to sperg.

If I was DC's "Kevin Feige" I would have kept Man of Steel as the starting point, there is nothing wrong with having Superman be the universe's inception, I'd change some things like Johnathan's death, I would have Clark save him from the Tornado, and instead have him die from a heart attack at a later point, I'd keep the final battle against Zod in the city, but I'd add a scene where Clark tries to save some civilians caught in the mayhem only for Zod to laser them down or have him destroy a block while Clark was saving some civilians, basically make it clear that Superman does care about the population but he can't save them and fight Zod at the same time, could probably help seed the need for a Justice League so he gets help evacuating while he fights the bad guy, etc.

Next The Batman solo film. I have no problem with Affleck's batman killing, Keaton's batman did and no one spergs about him, but more importantly Affleck's Batman started killing after Robin's death, a solo Affleck film showing him meeting Jason Todd, training him, fighting crime together, and then finding his lifeless corpse would help everyone understand why Affleck's version of Batman ended like that in BvS, Batman would beat the shit out of the Joker seemingly killing him, but it would be revealed later that he survived but was put in a seemingly permanent coma.

Wonder Woman is mostly fine as is, the only change is she hasn't met Batman by this point.

Batman V Superman (I'd probably just re-title this to Dawn of Justice) Now that our main trinity has been established. I'd keep the scene where batman is powerless to stop the Superman vs Zod battle, as one of the main reasons he distrusts Superman, the other being that he is haunted by Jason's death he believes that if he had just killed the Joker sooner Jason would still be alive, so he now thinks that he has to kill Superman before he turns into *Insert your favorite evil superman here* Wonder Woman would be a "secret guardian" she has been helping humanity in secret, using her super speed, breaking security cameras and shit, so there are rumors of a "warrior godess" protecting humanity but few have actually seen her. The main villain would be Lex Luthor, like in the film Batman and Superman are at odds, because Clark disapproves of Batman's methods, while Batman sees him as a huge threat, Luthor would be working behind the scenes to get them to kill each other, like in the movie he will send hitmen after criminals batman has apprehended, probably even frame Batman for some killings so Superman decides to stop him, and meanwhile probably leak to Batman footage of Superman killing Zod, so this basically "confirms" his fear that Superman is not above killing those who oppose him. Similar to the film Lex kidnaps Martha and Lois, but the change here is that Martha is the one he throws from the roof while Lois is the one in the warehouse, so despite Superman saving Martha Lex tells him that he either kills Batman or Lois is dead, we see Superman try to search for Lois but he cannot hear nor see her as the warehouse would be lead lined and sound proofed, and in his desperation Superman agrees to fight Batman, they meet like in the film Superman still tries to reason with Batman, they beat the shit out of each other, Batman wins due to Kryptonite, as he is about to deal the killing blow Wonder Woman stops him, blocking the spear with her shield, Martha who had arrived at the scene rushes to Clark's side and Batman realizes he was about to kill a son in front of his mother, making him no better than the man in that alley all those years ago, Batman decides to redeem himself by saving Lois while Superman and Wonder Woman confront Luthor, no Doomsday here, instead Luthor had built himself a mech suit by modifying the one General Zod used, we get the warehouse scene, while Luthor's suit proves to be strong enough to engage Superman and Wonder Woman, we learn here that Luthor is one of the few people aware of Diana's existence so the suit is also intended to fight her, eventually Batman returns and by working together they defeat Luthor and lock him up.

Justice League: This would basically follow the same overall plot as Zack's version, have Steppenwolf arrive looking for the mother boxes, we are introduced to Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg, the big difference is that Superman is not dead, so he gets more screentime. And thats it for "Phase 1".

"Phase 2:" would consist of (They don't need to happen in this same order):

Aquaman: This move is fine imo so I'd probably leave it as is. My only change would be having Lex Luthor alongside Deathstroke recruiting Black Mantha for the Legion of doom.

Flash: The Flash solo movie would show him start working as a CSI in Central city, we see flashbacks to his mom's death, basically we learn more about his motivations for being a CSI and why he wants to be a hero, the main villain would be Gorilla Grodd, an enemy whose psychic abilities are powerful enough that even with Flash's speed he has a lot of trouble defeating him head on; at roughly the midway point in the movie Flash would see this "blur" remembering the night his mother died he would give chase but will be unable to catch up to it, only managing to see glimpses of a someone in yellow, I'd probably have Cyborg in a small role here as I genuinely don't know what to do with him. So in this scenario Cyborg will help create some mcguffin to block Grodd's mindpowers, allowing Flash to defeat him.

Man of Steel 2: The main villain would be Brainiac, Superman at this point has fully embraced his role as Earth's protector, besides most of the negative press about him was manufactured by Luthor, it would be revealed that Braniac was on board Zod's ship but was damaged during the arrival on earth and subsequent battle, and it was Luthor's tinkering in BvS that reactivated him, similar to his animated counterpart he seeks to assimilate knowledge and then destroy its source so it becomes more valuable, naturally he comes to blows with Superman when he seeks to "assimilate earth". Superman would also obtain some mcguffin that lets him create the fortress of solitude in the Artic, maybe he finds a Kryptonian crystal or something similar inside the scout ship.

Wonder Woman 2: This film would cronologically happen around the same time Man of Steel did, an archaeologist team gets lost in Africa, and Dr. Minerva gets turned into Cheetah by consequence of a ritual performed on her by an african shaman, the ritual was originally intended to restore the high priestess' youth, but during the ritual they where attacked by a neighboring tribe and cornered in the temple, the shaman reluctantly performed the ritual on Minerva hoping it would give her the power to survive, but instead transforms her into Cheetah and she proceeds to slaughter everyone, Wonder Woman arrives at the jungle investigating rumors of a "mythical creature set loose", she would obtain her new sword at some point in the film, and these events would also be the reason Wonder Woman did not intervene during Zod's invasion, as she was busy breaking bucks fighting Cheetah in Africa.

Batman 2: By this point Batman has gone back to being his usual self instead of being "Bat-Punisher", the main villain would be the Riddler, probable Nightwing cameo, and would most likely show Tim Drake in a minor role where Batman has been considering him as the new Robin, maybe show a scene where he is evaluating potential candidates and we see Carrie Kelly, Stephanie Brown, Richart Graustark's names pop up on the screen, with him ultimately deciding Tim is the ideal candidate, the film would focus on Batman's detective side as he solves the Riddler's puzzles while trying to locate him, and also show him fighting his goons and what not.

Green Lantern: I'll admit I don't know that much of the Green Lantern mythos so bear with me here (of course if I was actually working as executive prodicer or whatever Feige is, I'd read Green Lantern's wikipedia article at least). The film opens with Galan ur battling aliens, maybe Parademons? in any case we see how powerful and badass Green Lantern can be, but as his ring runs out of power he is defeated and forced to flee, crash landing on Earth, where he is found by Hal Jordan, and passes the ring to him, the main villain would most likely Black Hand, as I don't want to introduce the Sinestro corps or Parallax just yet. The end of the film would show either Superman or Batman (or both) recruiting him for the Justice League.

Justice League 2: the battle between the Justice League (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman, and Green Lantern) vs the Legion of Doom (Lex Luthor, Riddler, Cheetah, DeathStroke, Black Mantha, Black Hand, and Gorilla Grodd). And ends "Phase 2"

Phase 3: as before the movies don't need to happen in this exact order.

Man of Steel 3: Bizarro as the main villain, haven't given it that much thought aside from that.

Wonder Woman 3: A loose adaptation of that episode from the Justice League Cartoon where Diana goes to the underworld, Hades would be the main villain and she would don the Golden armor to face him.

Green Lantern 2: Now he fights Sinestro.

Batman 3: Either Prometheus for a good ol' (Fight an evil version of yourself) or Firefly, Tim Drake is Robin by this point.

Flash 2: Mirror Master is the main villain, and after only being shown as a "blur" in the first movie, The Reverse Flash is now seen in full detail, but is still not the main villain.

Aquaman 2: Charybdis as the villain, Aquaman loses his hand here.

Shazam: I think the movie is overall fine, just maybe tone down Zachary Levi's comedic performance, as I feel Billy's personality shifts a lot after his transformation, going from a moody teen with a sense of humor to an almost bumbling idiot. I would shift the ending to show him meeting with Superman and getting recruited for the leauge, and in return he just asks Superman to show up at lunchtime for the ending scene where he reveals he knows Superman.

Justice League 3: Doomsday will be unleashed from his prison and engage the Justice League, of course the film ends with the dead of Superman.

Flash: adaptation of the flashpoint storyline, featuring Reverse Flash as the main villain.

Green Lantern 3: He would now fight Parallax.

Aquaman 3: He would most likely fight the Dead King here.

Shazam 2: The villain would be Black Adam

Justice League 4: Darkseid finally arrives on earth and proves to be too powerful for the League to handle, Superman is brought back to life, still don't know if I would do the whole "he wasn't really dead but in a self healing coma" or something, in any case he comes back to life. I wanted Batman to don the "Hellbat" armor with it being a suit he created with the help of the other league members since Superman was dead and for him to sacrifice his life to kill Darkseid, but now this feels like a ripoff from Endgame.

I'll take my puzzle pieces now.
 
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Todd Philip's "Joker" was the biggest critical and financial success of the DC movie slate by a country fucking mile, and that is the road they should follow. Give a modest but workable budget to a director with a proven track record and an interesting take on a character, leave him (or her) the fuck alone to do what they want with it, and make sure no one involved has to spend one damn second worrying about muh continuity or muh cinematic universe. If it works, it's a license to print money. If it doesn't, you've only risked an amount that would cover the catering budget for a tentpole movie, which can easily be made back with the next Giant Robot or Giant Monster or Action Hero Shoots People movie. But, current year movie executives are either woke or retarded or both, so whaddaya gonna do.
 
I've always held the belief that DC knew how to make good animated shows/movies since Batman: The Animated Series (although the more recent stuff looks tame & cringe), but could not translate into live action like Marvel has (and vice versa).
Sure, the Nolan Trilogy & Joker were great but the DCEU attempt to compete with the MCU has had some crippling missteps (Suicide Squad, anyone?).
 
I don't think there's a question DC wins handsdown in the animation department. The problem with the DC(CU?) is that it has an identity crisis of both wanting that light fun Marvel tone and being the more epic, dark and mature work. Which makes that franchise change tones dramatically between (and sometimes within) works. It also doesn't help that the first two Supes movie had a director who made the films far too dark for the general audience, which still shadows the franchise.

If the DCCU was redone it would only work if it remembered that epic does not mean dark, and that trying to halfway copy a MCU film just makes you rather watch a MCU film. At best they can fit in dark adult humour capeshit.
 
Todd Philip's "Joker" was the biggest critical and financial success of the DC movie slate by a country fucking mile, and that is the road they should follow. Give a modest but workable budget to a director with a proven track record and an interesting take on a character, leave him (or her) the fuck alone to do what they want with it, and make sure no one involved has to spend one damn second worrying about muh continuity or muh cinematic universe. If it works, it's a license to print money. If it doesn't, you've only risked an amount that would cover the catering budget for a tentpole movie, which can easily be made back with the next Giant Robot or Giant Monster or Action Hero Shoots People movie. But, current year movie executives are either woke or retarded or both, so whaddaya gonna do.

People think you couldn't do a Batman movie in the same universe as Joker and it's easy to see why - the age difference in characters, the realism, etc. It certainly would be fraught with risks. But the Joker movie did do some very cool regarding Batman which is that the kid Bruce Wayne noticeably has the seeds within him to grow up as a lunatic vigilante. From the scene where he just silently watches Fleck perform his magic tricks and quietly accepts the fingers in his mouth to the final scenes of the movie where he is just staring at his parents' bodies with a blank face. It's not overstated but the groundwork is laid for a Bruce that really has something not quite right from an early age which is a thing that is missing from most other interpretations. Usually Bruce is a normal, happy kid up until his parents murder where he transforms into an obsessive. Christian Bale did this quite well but the missing piece was that it wasn't started as a kid so again, it's all placed on this one instance of trauma. Gotham TV show did young Bruce quite well but again, never saw him before the murders. This Bruce looks like a kid who might be a semi-sociopath or autistic, before they learn how to emulate happy social interaction. The Bruce in Joker fits with the movie very well because Fleck himself has something deeply wrong with him. So does this Bruce. If we did get a Batman in the Joker universe I bet he'd play up the stealth and fear aspects a lot rather than the crazy fight scenes and gadgets aspect. And I'd like to see that.

Also, OP is slightly wrong about existing threads. There's one on the DC animated movies here: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/dc-animated-movies-long-halloween.93423/

Maybe worth considering a thread merge if a mod is willing.
 
@Mary the Goldsmith
I like the ideas. If I were to add anything, I would probably say that a Teen Titans movie should probably happen at some point especially if you set up Knightwing in Batman 2. A reason Dick may not be present much is because he is leading his own team after the Justice League. Maybe Batman 1 could have the falling out between the two, adding more to Batman’s dwindling mental state prior to BVS. I also think Teen Titans would be a better starting position for Cyborg as he was created for and honestly fits better with the team.

Also, OP is slightly wrong about existing threads. There's one on the DC animated movies here: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/dc-animated-movies-long-halloween.93423/
That one is for animated movies, though I get your point. I think I was just confused as to why there was no DCEU thread.
 
That one is for animated movies, though I get your point. I think I was just confused as to why there was no DCEU thread.
Fair enough.

@Mary the Goldsmith
I like the ideas. If I were to add anything, I would probably say that a Teen Titans movie should probably happen at some point
??? It already exists.
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Trolling aside, please stop saying "DC Comics". You wouldn't say "ATM machine" or "PIN number", would you? :)
 
If anything, Marvel is REALLY good at live action and DC is REALLY good in the animated department.
For me, Batman Brave and the bold, Batman Beyond, and any of the animated batman movies are VERY solid.

Marvel's never really had a good animated show, except maybe for X-Men evolution that was pretty good.

If DC wanted it's own CU of anything, I think animated would be the best chance for them. It'll give that campy ish but dark tone, since I personally feel it would work better, compared to live action since it's obviously too fractured for it's own good.

Also off topic question, I want to pick up that super sons comic line, but deadass I have no idea where to even start. Any tips on where to even pick up?
 
You wouldn't say "ATM machine" or "PIN number", would you?
You are seriously overestimating my IQ.
I would probably say that a Teen Titans movie should probably happen at some point especially if you set up Knightwing in Batman 2
Of course, In this hypothetical a Nightwing solo movie would happen at some point after Batman 2, my original idea was for him to take Batman's place after his sacrifice in the battle with Darkseid, not necesarily have him become Batman but fill the "powerless but badass fighter" spot left by Batman, the next "Saga" After Darkseid would be building up to a Crisis on Infinite Earths and for me the story would end there. This being Hollywood there would be a reboot some years down the line but by then I would be retired and not give a shit anymore... anyway thanks for reading my ramblings.
 
not necesarily have him become Batman but fill the "powerless but badass fighter" spot left by Batman,
I don't think Nightwing can ever fill Batman's place in the Justice League because what Batman brings to the JL isn't martial arts ability but his intelligence gathering, preparedness and tactical planning. All of his most valuable assets to the Justice League stem from his obsessiveness. Nightwing's parallel to Batman is that he is a superb athlete and fighter. He can take Batman's place when it comes to beating up villains on the street but not amongst Kryptonians, Amazonians, Green Lanterns, etc. Hell, the Question is a stronger contributor to the League than Grayson would be. And for the same reasons Batman would be.

Grayson's far from an idiot. But he left being Robin because he didn't want to become Batman. JL doesn't need a "really good martial artist", they need a borderline obsessive who puts in night after night of planning and prep. and a world class detective. Grayson doesn't want to be those things.
 
Without the Superhero genre of movies the comic book industry would be dead. Disney doesn't see any profit in Marvels comics and same goes with Warner Brothers. Hell, WB only recently seen profits from their DC games with Injustice. Luckily it takes more than just a movie franchise to stick around. Just look at IDW. Transformers have made billions in the box office but that didn't reflect on comic sales so the company is basically dead and Hasbro is looking elsewhere to continue the line. In modern times for comics to sell you need them to be multi-media hits. From TV shows, to toys, to games, cartoons, and movies. DC does that better than Marvel though each is either decent to pretty good. All Marvel has going for it is comic which people still buy for some reason (It's been almost a decade since I last bought anything from Marvel), and their cape shit which is starting to get fatigue and ushering in a decline in certain superhero films with only popular characters getting larger box office numbers instead of how their on going stories are.
Trolling aside, please stop saying "DC Comics". You wouldn't say "ATM machine" or "PIN number", would you? :)
That's literally what they're called on legal documents since the late 70's. I do prefer the older company name of Detective Comics Inc. All-American Publications had the better characters like Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, and the Flash and probably should have been kept apart.
 
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