TGWTG Nostalgia Chick / Lindsay Ellis / TheDudette - aka Hotdogs in face girl

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

I totally agree with you about Card. I don't know about Rowling though. Tons of transparent antisemitic and other ethnic stereotypes that I remember people calling out way before she started sitting at the TERF table.

I still hold that calling the goblins "antisemitic stereotypes" says more about the accuser than about the author.

Goblins have existed long before Rowling included them in her work.

 

[Hemlock Latte]

Yes, and they were based on antisemitic tropes before her, too. So how much of it is her and how much of it is the legacy of European antisemitism manifesting in her work? The same thing can be said regarding the house elves, which are based on a half-dozen odd house creatures from Northern European folklore, Borrowers, etc. I think these things show up in her work and she just wasn't particularly critical about any of it, and then people look at the rest of her politics, and it becomes problematic for them in context. She's now engaging in Holocaust denial/revision on X/Twitter along the lines of "There were no trans victims of the Holocaust," so the optics don't help.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Yes, and they were based on antisemitic tropes before her, too. So how much of it is her and how much of it is the legacy of European antisemitism manifesting in her work? The same thing can be said regarding the house elves, which are based on a half-dozen odd house creatures from Northern European folklore, Borrowers, etc. I think these things show up in her work and she just wasn't particularly critical about any of it, and then people look at the rest of her politics, and it becomes problematic for them in context. She's now engaging in Holocaust denial/revision on X/Twitter along the lines of "There were no trans victims of the Holocaust," so the optics don't help.

Kind of sounds like Lindsay with her books, except JK Rowling is a much better writer.

Also, most of the “antisemitism” is just folks who hate Rowling for her views, while the “holocaust denial” part is just a lot of AGPs and leftists trying to paint a picture of the Nazis destroying the progressive utopia that was the Weimar Republic. While Lindsay gets called an antisemite because she just writes things without thinking how it’ll be seen, despite painting herself as somebody who actually does think about those things, along with the demand that her work be taken seriously as something from the mind of the intellectual she thinks she is.

 

[Hemlock Latte]

...AGPs and leftists trying to paint a picture of the Nazis destroying the progressive utopia that was the Weimar Republic...

I'm not sure how much of a utopia the WR was, but the iconic bookburnings from that era were largely of texts from Herschfield's gender institute, so it isn't a wholly unfounded impression. The agitation that laid the groundwork for the Nazis was partially tied up in anti-trans sentiment. Pink triangles and all that.

I should really succumb to curiosity and read Lindsay's books.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I'm not sure how much of a utopia the WR was, but the iconic bookburnings from that era were largely of texts from Herschfield's gender institute, so it isn't a wholly unfounded impression. The agitation that laid the groundwork for the Nazis was partially tied up in anti-trans sentiment. Pink triangles and all that.

True, but the thing the left does is make it out that trans people were a certain special case of persecution, and the institute’s books were the FIRST books to be burned. Also, they paint the WR as a utopia in the sense that LGBTQ people were aloud to be open, out, and proud. There’s a whole bunch of stuff in other threads from years ago.

Also, go ahead and read the books by Lindsay if you want. Let me know if you feel like @Eventide and think that there’s a bunch of antisemitic bullshit in there.

 

[PixarsTedKennedy]

I totally agree with you about Card.

Just to shit up this thread, I met Card once. He spoke at my wife's college graduation. I didn't know who he was though, since I showed up after his speech, and struck up a conversation with him that evening. He then asked if I wanted his autograph out of nowhere and I replied with, "why would I want that?" He wasn't happy.

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

I'm not sure how much of a utopia the WR was, but the iconic bookburnings from that era were largely of texts from Herschfield's gender institute, so it isn't a wholly unfounded impression. The agitation that laid the groundwork for the Nazis was partially tied up in anti-trans sentiment. Pink triangles and all that.

I should really succumb to curiosity and read Lindsay's books.

This may not be the website for you.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I still hold that calling the goblins "antisemitic stereotypes" says more about the accuser than about the author.

Goblins have existed long before Rowling included them in her work.

It entirely derives from them being bankers. That's it. What else makes them Jewish? Whatever the accuser can come up with. Like the fact that their one Goblin ally betrays them after breaking into a bank. And torturing a dragon so it'll guard their deepest and richest vaults.

If I recall, in the movie set there's a star that people thought was the star of David and everyone was insistent that this confirmed the 'goblins are jews' theory. But then someone pointed out that the bank was based on one in Australia and the star had seven points, because on the Australian flag, there's a seven-point star for the seven Australian states.

I hope Lindsay's books can be made into movies just so I don't have to read them.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I hope Lindsay's books can be made into movies just so I don't have to read them.

So does Lindsay, because she can brag about her success to no end.

Having said that, I have no idea who’d be willing to take on that adaptation.

 

[Eventide]

Let me know if you feel like @Eventide and think that there’s a bunch of antisemitic bullshit in there.

Just to clear the air:

My main issue with Lindsay's book series (aside from being advertised as trashy alien romance and instead delivering extremely weird political tangents to the point where I felt the need to join an internet forum just to discuss them) wasn't specifically its overt antisemitism - it was the pro-Timothy McVeigh Turner Diaries Neo Nazi accelerationism rhetoric. I'm an Okie, my family knows people who Timothy McVeigh blew up. McVeigh was a deranged psychopathic terrorist, not a freedom fighter saving 'Merica from "teh Jewz".

Just to shit up this thread, I met Card once. He spoke at my wife's college graduation. I didn't know who he was though, since I showed up after his speech, and struck up a conversation with him that evening. He then asked if I wanted his autograph out of nowhere and I replied with, "why would I want that?" He wasn't happy.

Wasn't there once a blind item about Card, claiming he demanded free comps/celebrity treatment at a NYC hotel he was staying at for a conference? Like, allegedly he really thought he was some major hot shot.

Anyway, on the topic of troons, Lindsay just shared on her bluesky her token black breadtube friend's "Harry Potter is evil and you're evil for ever liking it 'cause JKR is a terf" video:

This is funny, considering Lindsay's surprisingly based stance on troons in her series (not real women if not real vagina).

Oh, & Lindsay also shared a bunch of sh!t about that pro-terrorism commie that won the NYC Democratic primary. I guess since she's an accelerationist and all; so obviously a commie Islamist tickles her fancy.

 

[PixarsTedKennedy]

Wasn't there once a blind item about Card, claiming he demanded free comps/celebrity treatment at a NYC hotel he was staying at for a conference? Like, allegedly he really thought he was some major hot shot.

Lol probably. I still don't know much about him. I thought he was a dad there for his daughter's graduation. He was standing next to me by a door. Maybe he's earned being a shit head but that interaction soured me to ever reading Enders Game. Plus he's Mormon I guess.

 

[S@credC]

Anyway, on the topic of troons, Lindsay just shared on her bluesky her token black breadtube friend's "Harry Potter is evil and you're evil for ever liking it 'cause JKR is a terf" video:

Has Princess ever seen the way troons talk about black women?

 

[Eventide]

Has Princess ever seen the way troons talk about black women?

She's a black woman whose friend group seems to consist entirely of white libsh!ts who cross the street whenever they seem someone with skin darker than a paper bag, I doubt she truly cares.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Just to clear the air:

My main issue with Lindsay's book series (aside from being advertised as trashy alien romance and instead delivering extremely weird political tangents to the point where I felt the need to join an internet forum just to discuss them) wasn't specifically its overt antisemitism - it was the pro-Timothy McVeigh Turner Diaries Neo Nazi accelerationism rhetoric. I'm an Okie, my family knows people who Timothy McVeigh blew up. McVeigh was a deranged psychopathic terrorist, not a freedom fighter saving 'Merica from "teh Jewz".

My sincere condolences. My thing though has always been that most of…what you bring up is because it’s all because Lindsay is seriously lacking in skill to pull off her story, and not owning up to that.

If anything, sounds like the only way things could be worked is if she introduced a character meant to be Officer Terrence Yeakey.

 

[Eventide]

My sincere condolences. My thing though has always been that most of…what you bring up is because it’s all because Lindsay is seriously lacking in skill to pull off her story, and not owning up to that.

I see where you're coming from. Since Lindsay seems rather dimwitted, I'm sure it's possible she was attempting to make some grand intellectual statement and monumentally fucked things up. But my issue is - even if that is the case, Lindsay still wrote a book series with a pro-Neo Nazi accelerationist plot, filled with random references only a Neo Nazi accelerationist would find enjoyable.

Like, you'd think Lindsay would have at least done a once over of her manuscript, and thought to herself "whoops, I made Timothy McVeigh sound like a freedom fighter saving America from the Reptilian Jewish overlords..." Instead, in book 3 she had the protagonist quote Timothy McVeigh/had another character bitch about restrictions put in place due to the OKC bombing/referenced Waco!

Factoring in Lindsay's "Jews AIPAC is controlling both sides of the aisle" Bluesky political 'sperging, not to mention her founding of Nebula (which is it's own completely different can of worms...) it's hard to determine if Lindsay isn't just your average braindead libshit, or something else

 

[Pioneer natural resources]

Hemlock faggot

 

[Random Internet Person]

I see where you're coming from. Since Lindsay seems rather dimwitted, I'm sure it's possible she was attempting to make some grand intellectual statement and monumentally fucked things up. But my issue is - even if that is the case, Lindsay still wrote a book series with a pro-Neo Nazi accelerationist plot, filled with random references only a Neo Nazi accelerationist would find enjoyable.

I feel like that’s an insult to Neo Nazis because at least Neo Nazis would know how to get their point across in a calculated and properly structured way.

Like, you'd think Lindsay would have at least done a once over of her manuscript, and thought to herself "whoops, I made Timothy McVeigh sound like a freedom fighter saving America from the Reptilian Jewish overlords..." Instead, in book 3 she had the protagonist quote Timothy McVeigh/had another character bitch about restrictions put in place due to the OKC bombing/referenced Waco!

That would imply Lindsay felt she needed to correct something. I understand why you think of Lindsay’s books the way you do. My thing has always been that it’d make more sense if those anti government and antisemitism things were intentional or meant to be from the POV of some lunatic or someone who felt he was McVeigh 2.0 or whatever Hunter S. Thompson was doing, rather than poorly fusing sci fi with a thriller featuring political intrigue, starring a 20 something woman and an alien robot. In the 2000s.

Think of it like Twilight: would Bella be a better character if she was written to be this calculating bitch who put Edward and Jacob against each other to prove who’d be more worthy of her, rather than your average teenage girl?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

So does Lindsay, because she can brag about her success to no end.

Having said that, I have no idea who’d be willing to take on that adaptation.

A shame Hollywood is moving away from woke shit, because a book about a mexican girl who gets Dubya out as President would be exactly what they'd want to make. She'd probably want to ignore what she said about how the original author shouldn't have the final say on an adaptation and do it herself, but that'd require effort and she wouldn't be able to kickstart enough money for the epic blockbuster she likely thinks her work deserves to be.

 

[Hemlock Latte]

This may not be the website for you.

On the contrary, so far it's fantastic. People can take a joke. You can say what you want without catching a thirty-day ban.

 

[Dick Johnson]

I'm not sure how much of a utopia the WR was, but the iconic bookburnings from that era were largely of texts from Herschfield's gender institute, so it isn't a wholly unfounded impression. The agitation that laid the groundwork for the Nazis was partially tied up in anti-trans sentiment. Pink triangles and all that.

I should really succumb to curiosity and read Lindsay's books.

A bit off topic, but the recent rise of 'the Nazis targeted trans people, and that's what those pictures of book burnings was about' rhetoric coming from the pro-trans side is hilarious.

"We're going to promote stuff that we know the general public will hate, to the point that it fuels the rise of fascism."
Later on: "Wow, it sure does seem like fascism is on the rise, better point out how people with our goals made Germans think that maybe those Nazi creeps had a point here and there."

("Oh no, turned out 'repeat past mistakes' was a losing strategy, how could that be?")