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The eighties was when things got darker for Batman and the idea had been floated around before, but A Serious House on a Serious Earth was I think the one that made it a plot point.

I'm also a fan of it, I do love painted graphic novels and Dave McKean's work is great. I remember liking the Black Orchid mini series he did with Neil Gaiman, though I don't remember much about it. I think Batman had a cameo in that too but I may be misremembering.
I've made numerous attempts to read AA but the art is just vomit and the lettering even worse and Morrison does totally random shit like establish Black Mask as a major figure in the story but then does jack shit with him, not even giving him armchair psychology profiling...

If there ever was a story needing redoing from scratch it's Arkham Asylum.
 
Those comics held up, pretty good stuff for X-Slop. I re-read some a few years ago. All the artists were running away from marvel to image back then so it's a shame Larry Stroman was only on the first few. His art is really wild on those All New All Different X-Factor and he never quite had that same style again on later work. David also wrote a shitload of Star Trek novels if you're into that. RIP
Disagree. Stromam's art sucked and the book was a huge hit in spite of him.

It also made me realize, having recently picked up the latest Xfactor Epic trade, that post O5 Xfactor pretty much lived and died on the strength of the Alex/Lorna relationship. The second they were broken up and Alex condemned to a bullshit villain arc, the book died HARD. And was why the revival was so meandering and bad, as Havok and Polaris were the heart and souls of the PAD run.
 
Disagree. Stromam's art sucked and the book was a huge hit in spite of him.

It also made me realize, having recently picked up the latest Xfactor Epic trade, that post O5 Xfactor pretty much lived and died on the strength of the Alex/Lorna relationship. The second they were broken up and Alex condemned to a bullshit villain arc, the book died HARD. And was why the revival was so meandering and bad, as Havok and Polaris were the heart and souls of the PAD run.
Damn necro comment from May! Acquired taste I guess. It may have been the long time X-Factor inker's style I liked, Al Milgrom. Also there's just something about the last hurrah of newsprint before digital colors with gradients and blur effects and shit came in. I'm more into the old drawing and coloring styles and don't give much of a shit about the Marvel Universe continuity anymore. There is way too much of it continuing infinitely. If anything i'm interested in older Marvel that isn't Marvel Universe themed. Like for example RIP Jim Shooter his era New Universe, Epic lines.
 
Ooo they're reprinting the weird ass original wonder woman stories
Those stories have been in print regularly. The big thiNg now is that they just reprinted the last four years of Pre-CriSis WW, of which only the last four issues of which have ever been reprinted.

Why the fuck is Carnage on this team? I understand Eddie’s under there right now, but how the fuck is the genocide symbiote okay with being in a superhero squad?
Eddie's trying to house train the carnage symbiote while his symbiote is stuck bonded to MJ after she nearly died, effectively keeping her alive.
 
Has Sue ever defeated Galactus? Always wondered how she'd do against the likes of say, Thanos or Phoenix. I read somewhere they did some finicky shit with her force field abilities
She's one shot defeated Celestials in the DeFalco run, which is was around the time DeFalco basically said Sue's real power was the GL type ability to harness the Hyperforce.

She could take down Jean and Thanos easily.
 
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Disagree. Stromam's art sucked and the book was a huge hit in spite of him.

It also made me realize, having recently picked up the latest Xfactor Epic trade, that post O5 Xfactor pretty much lived and died on the strength of the Alex/Lorna relationship. The second they were broken up and Alex condemned to a bullshit villain arc, the book died HARD. And was why the revival was so meandering and bad, as Havok and Polaris were the heart and souls of the PAD run.
Lorna can't be as badly written as the Austen run where she was like manic depressive bipolar depending on what day of the week it was.

I have no idea how Austen was allowed to shit out such crap.
 
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How did DC manage to hold an event made strictly of evil Batmen, and zero were hot?
Batman is already partway into the villain* aesthetic, they could have made atleast a single cool gothy evil guy, instead we got shitpile, robot and Judge Death ripoff+others I can't be bothered to remember.

*you know, the girl media villain, where they do neglible amount of evil, but are Dark and Cool
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Even though Greg Capullo can draw sexy men, he is a horror fanboy first and foremost and made all of the evil Dark Multiverse Batman ugly as a result of him wanting g them to be scary horror villain

I need a refresher on Dan Slott and why he's disliked. I'm aware of some his lolcow behavior online, but never really followed his run on Spider-Man, Iron Man, and Fantastic Four. Full disclosure, I have met and talked to him before at the Calgary and Edmonton Comic Expos. He didn't say or do anything objectionable, but I also wasn't confrontational either. I was just curious enough to shoot the breeze with him about comics.
Besides his She Hulk revolving around She Hulk being a whore and Leader using her being a whore to get acquitted of mass murder from the PAD Ground Zero arc Hulk #340-340?

Scott basically sold his soul to become the prime architect of Brand New Day Spider-Man after spending the early 00s pathetically begging to be made writer of ASM. And he fully embraced the mindset of blood libeling fans of the marriage who were pissed the fuck off, a mindset that was encouraged due to Quesada bribing Rich Johnston (who owed a huge tax bill that Quesada paid off on the downlow) to smother all coverage of the negative kind to BND on Bleeding Cool and having the other news sites burying negative reaction and only giving fawning praise to BND out of sycophantic desire not to have Marvel blackball then from having access to them.

BND was dog shit with Slott's work being especially bad. The only story he wrote that was anywhere remotely decent was the fan service heavy Spider Island, which ironically ended with a tease that Peter and MJ might get back together and had Slott quit then and there, he might have salvaged his legacy especially if he fucked off to DC for a bit.

But Slott ripped MJ and Peter apart immediately after the tease and followed it up with the Endo of the world which had Dr Octopus in full genocide the Earth mode, which then followed up with Superior Spider-Man, which needless to say was so vile and horrifyingly bad that Slott didn't even bother to hide that he was doing it purely to spite the Bakers and Boxleitners of the Internet who were his most vocal critics online. Not yo mention the BS that was his antics on the way out the door, trying to kill MJ to fuck over Nick Spencer reuniting her and Peter after Slott FINALLY got forced off the book for Spencer against his will, or that he demanded his last issue be #801 purely to fuck all future legacy numbering.

Imperial? Another crossover? And they are making Star Lord/Nova a thing? Fucking why? Where is Gamora?
And of course the two faggots (the magic fag and the green fag) are there front and center.

Just.....just get Invisible Woman and Phoenix to combine their powers to blow everyone up.
Imperial is basically supposed to be a reset button push on Marvel Cosmic after Slott was allowed to merge the Kree-Skrull Empire, plus some housecleaning on getting rid of the Wakanda space empire which turned out to be insanely unpopular, and to let Hickman do some shit he planned for the Shi'ar Empire while rehabbing Xavier/resetting the Shi'ar back to having Lilandra running things
 
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Superheroes are borderline lolcows
 
It’s one where I wish there was more but I’m also glad that universe is mostly contained outside cameo appearances.

I love the alternate history golden age.
i would have loved a Blyatman spinoff honestly, but what we got was perfect and one of my favorite batman stories ever, as brief as it was.
 
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I thought this was an interesting premise, but it went for way too long and Waid seemed to be more interested in telling stories in his new superhero world than sticking with the whole "What if Superman didn't have Clark Kent" deconstruction. Same with Incorruptible. A supervillain trying to be a hero but having no moral compass is interesting, but again he didn't really do much with that side of things.
 
I thought this was an interesting premise, but it went for way too long and Waid seemed to be more interested in telling stories in his new superhero world than sticking with the whole "What if Superman didn't have Clark Kent" deconstruction. Same with Incorruptible. A supervillain trying to be a hero but having no moral compass is interesting, but again he didn't really do much with that side of things.

I feel like the natural escalation kinda worked but it didn't effectively go explore the premises enough. I think one could have gone into the other subplots with some nuance too. There was that odd twin/triplet sharing one power source that seemed like an interesting way to explore some stuff. But then they fucked it up.

The Batman-pastiche dying ASAP was funny.
 
I feel like the natural escalation kinda worked but it didn't effectively go explore the premises enough. I think one could have gone into the other subplots with some nuance too. There was that odd twin/triplet sharing one power source that seemed like an interesting way to explore some stuff. But then they fucked it up.

The Batman-pastiche dying ASAP was funny.
I love that, in all these shitty, off-brand evil Supermans, the Batman stand-in getting ACK’ed first is hilarious.

Even when the worst of them, The Boys (show) did it, they set up the only funny part of the most recent reason, Black Noir 2.
 
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It's a testament to the appeal of Hal Jordan that Green Lantern has remained a fairly popular series despite multiple franchise killing moments.
It is very funny that they got the most zesty nigga possible to play John in his first live action depiction, while Hal’s actor just looks like what Hal is probably gonna look like in old age, after two failed marriages, a DUI and several stints in rehab, with Ollie as his sponsor every time.

I always remember Superman chewing him out and telling him to get it together.
 
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I always remember Superman chewing him out and telling him to get it together.
That was actually just Hals imagination. It was from the Action Comics run after Gl got canceled (again) and PAD decided that the "someone totally without fear" was silly and made it so the ring actually lobotomised Hal to make him fearless. I think Christopher Priest wrote those issues.
 
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What the fuck was this Batman '89 Echoes issue 6?

Took 19 months between issue 1 and 6. But the final issue was so rushed.
 
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