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Fatsuit Shinji said:
Early 90ies to mid 90ies anime and Gundam fans making due with whatever fansub Gundam movie or series they could watch in anime club, con or at whoever had the tapes is playing them.
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in my case Otaku no Video made a big deal about that Char guy so I figured hus counterattack would feature a lot of him
but yeah it's got more expository dialog than you notice

or maybe CCA is still kind of a mess even with First->ZZ in front of it
 
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XYZpdq Jr. said:
in my case, Otaku no Video made a big deal about that Char guy so I figured hus counterattack would feature a lot of him
but yeah it's got more expository dialog than you notice

or maybe CCA is still kind of a mess even with First->ZZ in front of it
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I saw F91 in 1995 and CCA in, I think, 96 or 97.

CCA might've been little less of a mess if Tomino had just taken out of Kawamori's playbook and declared "all canon is canon" as Kawamori have done with the Macross franchise.
 
it's ironic how F91 is meant to be a new starting point, but it's so Tomino it ends up needing a lot of familiarity with his style
 
Fatsuit Shinji said:
Early 90ies to mid 90ies anime and Gundam fans making due with whatever fansub Gundam movie or series they could watch in anime club, con or at whoever had the tapes is playing them.
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That's 30 years ago. We can find anything we want to watch now.
Trollblade69 said:
The movie ignores the actual events of Zeta and ZZ to have Char suddenly leading a new Neo Zeon and wanting to annihilate the Earth to force humanity into space. He condemns Haman in a grand speech despite doing everything he despised her for.
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CCA builds off of Zeta Char. He condemns Haman but Quattro was his attempt to fix the Earth Federation and it failed. Lalah won't stop haunting both Amuro and Char and it drives Char to his final conclusion. Earth has to be made uninhabitable for humanity to become newtypes and escape the endless wars. Tomino wrote how some Spacenoids thought gravity was malicious and held humanity back. If Char grew into his father's ideals, wanted to stop the discrimination against Spacenoids, wanted to kill a lot of Federation's highest ranking officials and wanted to settle things with Amuro (Lalah) it makes sense what he does.

Char's Neo Zeon is tiny. It's barely a fleet of ships and the Federation try to bribe them instead of bringing military strength to stop them. They aren't worth sending a big military force after. Zeon has run out of gas and they have 1 giant rock left to throw at the Earth.

Zeta into ZZ and then CCA is messy but the story is consistent. The AEUG fails to reform the Federation. Char takes Minerva and flees Zeon letting the Zeon civil war weaken the only faction left standing. Federation, Zeon, Titans and AEUG have run out of steam and Char rallies some Zeon pilots and uses them to attempt one final push. Char always risked everything and put his neck on the line, he doesn't like being passive and letting the world happen around him. With everyone in such a weakened state Char can use his name to achieve multiple goals. He only failed because he gave Amuro the technology to make the Nu. Without that he would have achieved all of his goals in 1 operation. Tomino's stories repeat the same message. If you can't move on from the past you are doomed to repeat it. Char could not let go of his rivalry with Amuro (Lalah didn't help) so it killed them both. They repeated the same mistake from being teenagers up until middle age men and it killed them.
 
Also if you REALLY pay closer attention, you might pick up on Char being an aloof, self-centered asshole
It's a little subtle but it's there
 
Eternal's Treize death has some interesting translation choices. Treize says Wufei will always be his friend. And then Wufei says he'll take what he can get. I can't find the original to check but I don't think that's right.

The SEED exclusive content is a full ONA of modern animation. Kira uses the Strike Rogue with a dragoon pack while investigating a rogue ZAFT pilot trying to disrupt the peace talks.
 
Gundam Breaker 4 is pretty fun! I love the pacing and the action, as well as the customizations/upgrades.
 
while I've been in the hospital I'm often in a wheelchair
they have rails on the hallways that I can pull myself along and if I get some momentum it's soooooooooo close to scooting down a gundam hallway in zero g
 
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Gundam SEED Recollection is an interesting story.

ZAFT and the Earth Alliance are trying to negotiate a peace treaty after the war. Zala loyalists steal some nukes from an EA ship and plan to use them to disrupt the peace talks. The current Chairman is going to make life harder for ZAFT but it will bring peace. The 3 ship alliance splits into 2 with Kira and Lacus staying in space and Athrun and Cagalli returning to Orb.

The story is in 2 parts. Kira's part is using the Dragoon Strike (Strike Rogue) to track down Shiva, Zala's second in command and she wants revenge for her family dying in the Bloody Valentine massacre. She knows Kira won't kill and takes advantage of it to repair her suits and keep fighting him. There's some cool scenes of damaged suits returning to ZAFT's ships. The ZAFT Chairman has to get to Earth to talk to the EA to stop them thinking the Zala Loyalists are ZAFT trying to start another war. Shiva goes to use a nuke she has in her GuAIZ to blow up the shuttle but Kira tells her it's empty. She has a break down about how painful it is to live and how badly she wants revenge. Telling Kira he can't stop wars and more like her will come along. She tells him to shoot her or she will set off the nuke and kill them both. Kira refuses, the nuke goes off and the Dragoon Strike has some minor scratches on it's paint when it's in the Eternal's hanger. Kira's plot armour deflected being in the immediate blast range of a nuke. He has survived 3 deaths he shouldn't now. He cries in his cockpit and Lacus tells him he saved lots of people and he's a good boy..

Athrun's story has much less animation and story. Shiva's second in command is going to nuke the mass driver the EA use to send stuff to space. It's the last remaining one so ZAFT would have a huge advantage if it was taken down. Athrun is given a prototype Murasame by Cagalli and told to go deal with the Earth problems. He goes out solo (you still get your own units but in the story he's alone) and meets the rebels. He tells them he's Patrick's son but they say he's lying. A couple of levels with this same story of Zala loyalists thinking he's a fake until some decide he's real and a traitor to his father's legalacy. It's really shallow and the nukes get launched from a sub then Athrun cuts it down with his saber. Athrun returns to ORB and everyone is happy. He puts on his Alex Dino glasses as the story ends.

Recollection covers a few loose ends. The acting Chairman forgives the Clyne faction's crimes because Lacus met her personally and escorted her to Earth when ZAFT ships going to Earth would have been fired on. The three ship alliance are Neutral. Cagalli and Lacus are playing politics in the background while Kira and Athrun act as attack dogs. It expands on the Clyne faction and shows they aren't just disabling suits but have active political goals. Athrun abandons his name because he doesn't want his father's legacy and people to use his name the way the Zala loyalists did. It's not said but it's implied that's why he pretends to be Quattro. Most of his story uses the same cockpit still image and a lot of the dialog is in text while almost all of Kira's is voice acted and it has full animations for the new Strike. Athrun's new suit is hardly on the screen and when it is, it's static. There are some nice world building pictures of battle debri. Kits playing on broken Ginn heads and that sort of thing.


It was a good story and I enjoyed it. It felt like an extended episode or an OVA. If you can find it on youtube and you like SEED it's worth your time. If you aren't play Eternal don't play it just for this. It takes a while to unlock and the gameplay adds nothing to the story. I auto played everything as my units were grossly overpowered for the level.
 
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Saw this on my YouTube home page. For anyone who wanted to see the novel versions of Xi and Penelope Gundam animated, this is about the closest we're going to get. Plus the fan animator if of the old school style of clearly showing the fight in night time. Instead of the new school AVP2 and GoT style of you don't show the fight in nighttime condition.

 
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Trollblade69 said:
The movie ignores the actual events of Zeta and ZZ to have Char suddenly leading a new Neo Zeon and wanting to annihilate the Earth to force humanity into space. He condemns Haman in a grand speech despite doing everything he despised her for.
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If you haven't noticed, Char had always, until the very finale of CCA, been wearing masks. Pretending to not be evil in Z and ZZ was as genuine as pretending to be a Zabi loyalist in 079. His condemnation of Haman is actually an example of that. He feels like it would be beneficial to him to rag on a woman he used as a puppet for using a girl he orphaned (or planned to, but other people got most of her relatives first) as a puppet, therefore he puts on the air of righteous indignation.

Furthermore, his CCA plan was not about anything grand. He just wanted a rematch with Amuro and generally found life without piloting giant robots in battle to be terminally dull. So he cooked up a plan heinous enough to guarantee Amuro's return to the cockpit.
 
FatR said:
If you haven't noticed, Char had always, until the very finale of CCA, been wearing masks. Pretending to not be evil in Z and ZZ was as genuine as pretending to be a Zabi loyalist in 079.
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Do you not understand that this frames Zeta as extraneous filler for Char's character story, and that's the part I have issue with?
 
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FatR said:
If you haven't noticed, Char had always, until the very finale of CCA, been wearing masks. Pretending to not be evil in Z and ZZ was as genuine as pretending to be a Zabi loyalist in 079. His condemnation of Haman is actually an example of that. He feels like it would be beneficial to him to rag on a woman he used as a puppet for using a girl he orphaned (or planned to, but other people got most of her relatives first) as a puppet, therefore he puts on the air of righteous indignation.

Furthermore, his CCA plan was not about anything grand. He just wanted a rematch with Amuro and generally found life without piloting giant robots in battle to be terminally dull. So he cooked up a plan heinous enough to guarantee Amuro's return to the cockpit.
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Trollblade69 said:
Do you not understand that this frames Zeta as extraneous filler for Char's character story, and that's the part I have issue with?
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Reading the Zeta novels, everyone knows Quattro is Char. Kai refuses to stick around because he can't see Char hiding and being such a coward. Hayato confronts Char on why he doesn't step up and become a leader. Quattro is Char running from his legacy and refusing to step into his father's shoes. It's not filler because it's essential to understanding Char never had a purpose beyond his own selfish goals. Char could have lead the AEUG from day 1 and he decided to be a lowly pilot instead. Char uses people but never gets any where. Even when he defeats the Zabis he ends up in the same place as he's always been. He has no goal or purpose beyond his petty revenge plots and he can't let that go.

Char repeats the same mistake in every appearance except Gquuuux. He is always so focused on getting revenge and self interest he never builds anything of value around him. Even his apprentice (Kamille) ends up becoming a vegetable then leaves fighting behind. Char wants a "mother" to give him guidance beyond his own petty goals and that's why he keeps falling into the same trap of small thinking. He's a pawn in other people's stories and chooses to be that instead of telling his own grand story.

On the 2nd of 5 Zeta novels now. It's rushed and a lot of story is Kamille's diary recounting events. I can't tell if it's a bad translation or implied but Kamille writes that "Fa is a lucky girl" when they try to make up before he leaves for Jaburo. Emma and Fa have a love triangle with him in Kamille's head but Fa and him fight constantly. Both too young and immature to form a lasting relationship.

Amuro works at a small military base where the EFSF send new recruits. They keep him at arms length and send recruits as spies and to see a newtype like it's a freak show. Amuro knows and accepts it. He has lost his newtype edge and doesn't care. The newtypes expressed here are so different to the later Gundam material. Amuro thinks any one can become a newtype and it's just an increased awareness. Amuro can't see the future, he's just enlightened so he can predict things with his increased nerve senses. Newtypes are described more like autistic levels of stimulation sensitivity but they can handle it because they're enlightened. The newtype labs use biotechnology to enhance senses the same way but they aren't enlightened so they can't handle it. It will be interesting how Tomino matches up Amuro's idea of newtypes with Zeta's super mode. He can't have newtypes powering up machines mixed with what Amuro is saying.

Zeta isn't designed by Kamille in this story or it hasn't been said yet. The Zeta project is already underway before Kamille gets involved.
 
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